Yes, it's true; a fringe minister with just fifty followers in America wanted to burn a Koran. But he didn't. Meanwhile another nut wants to kill all Jews, wipe Israel off the map, destroy the United States, eliminate all Christians, indoctrinate children into being suicide bombers, and carry out a revolutionary war of terrorism for decades no matter how many die and how much destruction occurs.
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By no means all Muslims, or even most, but a heck of a lot do talk like Bahr. Not a very small minority of believers; a very big minority of believers. And if they are not stopped they will be the majority of believers and the rulers of multiple countries.
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Small minority and big minority... Are you kidding ?
you can say what you want. Almost all Muslims want peace, the big minority is not even close to big ? Those who associate themselves with violence are and will always be a minority, because Islam is against violence. See now why they will always be a minority.
Give birth to many sons who will in turn commit murderous suicide. Now that's a winner.
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Oh, and by the way, he and his colleagues have several hundred thousand followers and are ruling what amounts to an independent state bordering on the Mediterranean.
that's not good
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Oh, wait, they're yet again comparing people from America to people in the Middle East. We should never be anything like the middle east and comparisons should never need to be made. Terrorists across the Atlantic Ocean in no way diminish the intolerance of this pastor.
"who explain away these movements and regimes as somehow rational and moderate."
who?
I agree the pastor has the right to burn that koran, but this is just a terrible argument to make.
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Oh, wait, they're yet again comparing people from America to people in the Middle East.
and why not? they're people just like us. lets hold every body to the same standards. sounds fair
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they don't have the same standards, they're in extreme poverty and history has shown what extreme poverty does anywhere. Africa is a bitch and a half of civil wars.
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extreme poverty doesn't justify the millions of rapes that have happened in the congo. or the mutilation of victims including chopping off limbs. not raping not murdering.. those are human universals. you cant excuse murder by saying oh well they are impoverished.
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it's always a correlation. Muslims in America aren't nearly as extreme as those in the middle east. Just like Christians in America aren't as extreme as The Lord's Resistance Army in Africa. This article blames Islam when there's simply no relation there.
If you actually cared about stopping the extremism, you should fight to stop poverty.
Christians in America aren't as extreme as The Lord's Resistance Army in Africa.
have any American Christians been indited for funding the "Christian terrorist group", the lords Resistance Army. Can you -link- an American pastor or priest praising their actions form the pulpit or at a Christian rally. I can link many videos of American Muslims calling for violent jihad,here and abroad.
Why the difference ?
and what Christian teaching do the lords resistance Amry use to inspire violent actions.
I can link Islamic teachings calling for violence, toward all non-muslims. if asked to do so
please link the Christan verses, used by the "Christian terrorists" I am asking, you to do so
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So the gentleman who said this is the Palestinian Nancy Pelosi (by dint of his position, not that they have similar vews), not some fringer:
In the speech, this fellow said that it was really great to be a martyr for Islamic revolution because there are 2.5 million black-eyed virgins waiting at the gates of a palace--just one, so presumably there are more--in the Garden of Eden just waiting for them. You do the math: 500 gates, 5,000 virgins per gate.
Who said this? Ahmad Bahr, a Hamas leader and speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council. In other words, he's the Palestinian equivalent of Nancy Pelosi.
Bahr and his colleagues aren't just joking; they aren't just telling tall tales to titillate the yokels. Nor are they making this stuff up, since Bahr is quoting one of Muhammad's chief lieutenants and a caliph in his own right. This speech was broadcast on al-Aqsa television on September 5, 2010. It was intended to mobilize the masses to go out and die for Hamas and the Islamic revolution. So presumably a good number of Palestinians take this seriously, too.
Now how is this plan going to be implemented? Basically, Bahr said that every Muslim should have a lot of sons and train them to be terrorists and hence martyrs. He concluded:
"If this is the culture of the nation today, who will be able to stop it?...As long as we continue on this path, nobody on Earth will be able to confront the resistance, or to confront the mujahideen, those who worship Allah and seek martyrdom."
So it doesn't matter how hopeless the odds seem, how many will die, how much suffering will take place. Peace is not more attractive than war; having a nice future for your children is not the top priority. Goals are not set by a cost/benefit analysis but on the basis that the creator of the universe is calling the shots, insists on this path, and will ensure its victory.
OK, you say, but maybe Bahr just hates Israel and would be satisfied if it is wiped out and then the struggle would end? Nope. Maybe he just wants an independent Palestinian state and then will leave everyone else alone? Again, nope.
Here's what he said in 2007 in a speech broadcast on Sudan television:
"'You will be victorious' on the face of this planet. You are the masters of the world on the face of this planet. Yes, [the Koran says that] 'you will be victorious,' but only 'if you are believers.' Allah willing, 'you will be victorious,' while America and Israel will be annihilated, Allah willing. I guarantee you that the power of belief and faith is greater than the power of America and Israel. They are cowards, as is said in the Book of Allah: 'You shall find them the people most eager to protect their lives.' They are cowards, who are eager for life, while we are eager for death for the sake of Allah. That is why America's nose was rubbed in the mud in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Somalia, and everywhere....
"America will be annihilated, while Islam will remain. The Muslims 'will be victorious, if you are believers.' Oh Muslims, I guarantee you that the power of Allah is greater than America, by whom many are blinded today. Some people are blinded by the power of America. We say to them that with the might of Allah, with the might of His Messenger, and with the power of Allah, we are stronger than America and Israel."
Again, this is one of Hamas's top leaders, and others in the leadership--not to mention their Iranian, Hizballah, and Syrian allies--have said similar things. This is not a joke. Middle East: This is your life!
Do you mind if I'm perfectly frank with you? I suspect that deep down most Westerners think people like Bahr are as corrupt and hypocritical as an Upper-West-Side-of-Manhattan progressive thinks is true for a Southern televangelist. They probably expect Bahr steps out of the pulpit then goes to a bar for a scotch and a ham sandwich.
If they would only apply to Bahr--whose extremism they tend to ignore, feel overrated, or can easily be turned into moderation--the same standards as they do to Christian Pentecostals--who they despise without tolerance--that would be one step in the right direction. Then keep going, adding on that, unlike Christian "fundamentalists" in America, revolutionary Islamists have murdered tens of thousands of people and want to kill many more; unlike those Christians they command thousands of armed soldiers; unlike those Christians they will kill anyone who changes to another religion or who doesn't behave as they want; and, too, their program is to seize state power, establish totalitarian states, and attack other countries.
This is scary business, and I'm not sure we're taking it seriously enough.
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This article takes me back in history to whom first said this, and started implementing it. You guessed it right, Mohamed the Islam's prophet!
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